2.0ltr on twin 44's

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2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 24th April 2018 - 3:17pm

Hi guys my square is running a 2007 with twin 44's. The neck on the carbs mean that they jut out the top of the engine bay so the previous owner did what he could and made a riser to house everything. However I have a bloody awful bump in my load area. Short of sticking twin solex on and chocking the beast what are my options. Zero or is there a glimmer of hope?

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 24th April 2018 - 9:21pm

it is possible to lower the engine slightly as its an IRS, but you have to be careful not to stress the gearbox nose cone mount. The engine mount holes could be slotted if you just need a couple of mm or more drastic measures such as cutting and lengthening the mounts if its needed.
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 26th April 2018 - 1:38pm

Pretty severe options. I wondered about smaller filters but I've been told that they need room to gas off. Lower filters might result in fuel collection and I could get a fire on lift off from unburnt fuel. It totally negates the square as I no longer have a flat load area. Back to the drawing board.

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Chino » 26th April 2018 - 1:46pm

This is on a Type 4, but Stef at MAC VW in Manchester recently did this which I thought was a really cool solution (this engine is now in a Notch):

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Could always give Stef a call, he's a genius with this stuff.

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 26th April 2018 - 8:44pm

Probably wouldnt get away with that on a type 3 because of the oil cooler hump though :(

Unfortunately they easy answer you were after doesnt really exist. you just have to adapt and improvise to find a solution that fits your requirements. Thats why I love old cars, they give you the freedom to experiment :D
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by sparkywig » 26th April 2018 - 10:10pm

You can get short IDF manifolds, I've got a set on my engine.
But I have had to trim the engine hatch opening to get the CB Performance filters to fit. You might get a set of Ramflo filters on without having to cut any body work though.

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 26th April 2018 - 10:27pm

But of course I never even thought to ask if he had short manifolds. O just assumed. I've got a set too. Pretty handy things 😁
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 27th April 2018 - 8:07am

I believe the manifolds are as standard. Good shout. I will look into this further.

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 27th April 2018 - 5:29pm

Lee Scott wrote:
27th April 2018 - 8:07am
I believe the manifolds are as standard. Good shout. I will look into this further.
They wont be standard as standard ones are for single throat carburettors. But id guess you have got beetle manifolds. They can be modified to suit a type 3 by a skilled welder. Otherwise keep an eye out for a type 3 set. they are more or less the same but shorter. Id take a photo of mine but theyre not in my garage at the minute!
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by jmarkha1 » 27th April 2018 - 8:41pm

type 3 short manifolds and ramflos will fit under the deck and work well - plenty of clearance on mine.
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 27th April 2018 - 9:44pm

DId know they were still made! Great info :D
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 29th April 2018 - 7:29pm

I mean manifolds are as standard for the carb set up. A 2ltr type 3 isn't normal. I'll investigate these options further. What I don't want to do is choke the lump.

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by sparkywig » 29th April 2018 - 7:47pm

You won’t, I’m building a 2 litre stroker engine for mine using the same manifolds.

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 29th April 2018 - 7:51pm

Lee Scott wrote:
29th April 2018 - 7:29pm
I mean manifolds are as standard for the carb set up. A 2ltr type 3 isn't normal. I'll investigate these options further. What I don't want to do is choke the lump.
As that man says, shorter manifolds won't restrict flow. Only a smaller diameter will do that.
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 29th April 2018 - 8:22pm

broady_6 wrote:
29th April 2018 - 7:51pm
Lee Scott wrote:
29th April 2018 - 7:29pm
I mean manifolds are as standard for the carb set up. A 2ltr type 3 isn't normal. I'll investigate these options further. What I don't want to do is choke the lump.
As that man says, shorter manifolds won't restrict flow. Only a smaller diameter will do that.
I'm on a massively steep learning curve with this. ;) Enjoying it but this is way way WAY out of my comfort zone. ha

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by broady_6 » 29th April 2018 - 8:25pm

Lee Scott wrote:
29th April 2018 - 8:22pm
broady_6 wrote:
29th April 2018 - 7:51pm
Lee Scott wrote:
29th April 2018 - 7:29pm
I mean manifolds are as standard for the carb set up. A 2ltr type 3 isn't normal. I'll investigate these options further. What I don't want to do is choke the lump.
As that man says, shorter manifolds won't restrict flow. Only a smaller diameter will do that.
I'm on a massively steep learning curve with this. ;) Enjoying it but this is way way WAY out of my comfort zone. ha

Youll be amazed how much you soke up. I bought my fasty and used it as a daily with out really having a clue. within 6 months i knew what was what and it was pretty reliable
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 30th April 2018 - 9:54pm

Car is already on short manifolds apparently. So we're back to the drawing board on this one. Ha!

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by jmarkha1 » 30th April 2018 - 10:16pm

worth trying ramflo filters - they are very low profile but provide lots of air compared to a pancake style.
If that doesn't work you could space the engine mounts from the subframe by a few mm to help
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by jmarkha1 » 30th April 2018 - 10:23pm

dont remember them being 50.00 each! has been a few years though...
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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by sparkywig » 30th April 2018 - 10:30pm

Everything's more expensive now, and probably less well made.
Another £100 bites the dust.....

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Re: 2.0ltr on twin 44's

Post by Lee Scott » 30th April 2018 - 11:18pm

This could be a bloody good shout. Thanks guys.

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