1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by 937carrera » 6th July 2017 - 9:11pm

Oh well, if you don't want to take credit for the work, better tell us about the kit (I have a 412 fasty and T25 to get round to) :)
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 9th July 2017 - 10:58am

Heres the bit of kit, you cant buy it any more unfortunately

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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 16th July 2017 - 11:38am

Time ive gave you ugly lot another update, With them holes filled up I decided to do something more mechanical. The NSF was more or less on the legal limit so I got out one of the wheels I painted a long time ago and fitted it with one of my spare tyres. I dont really like them as much as I thought I did. It has been about 4 years though. Never mind eh, its road legal so it fits the bit for this summer.

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One more welding job was needed. So this week I hit it hard, in from work changed an straight out there till 9 4 nights in a row.

My spare bonnet was in good order apart from this

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Not sure why it decided to fall apart there and no where else, but it'll do me for a quick repair. I attempted to make this from two pieces, the lower with a little drain channel and the top with its edges folder round to grip it.

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As you can see, with the lower skin removed there really wasn't much of a top skin left. Luckily there was enough to use as a pattern.

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To get the folds ive got a piece of plate which I clamped it under and bent it round.

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Quite a rough shape, but after some thumping I got it roughly right

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But not quite, the radii is just a little too tight and it catches on the scuttle. Ive also found this bonnet is about 5mm longer than my old one, the missus had to come and help me free it off as it stuck in the catch, so in order for it to fitch the bonnet catch is so far back it hits the scuttle panel when I open it. Something else on the body work list for winter.

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They don't look as terrible as I thought once on the car, but I still dont like them.

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Lots of other little jobs have happened, re calibrated my speedo, fitted seats and belt, cleaned up a little bit of wiring. I give the engine a light service, the old oil want pretty. Then I ended up here

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And the old girl passed, though it was running a bit rough on the way there, it would cruse ok but if you went passed half throttle it would hesitate, as if the accelerator circuit wasnt operating. So last night, having checked the tappets, points and timing I pulled the carbs to bits. and found old crappy petrol lumps.

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With them cleaned out and reinstalled it runs a lot better, but its still a bit iffy, I know ive got leaky carb spindles so that's like the cause.As it was gone 10 last night I thought id leave it for this afternoon to tune it up.
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by Chino » 17th July 2017 - 8:49am

Great stuff, must be nice to be back on the road after all that? :)

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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 18th July 2017 - 10:33pm

you'd have thought so wouldn't you, the engine still ran poorly at best, 50mph was flogging it hard, like it was driving up hill. I took the distributor out and checked it over, it was very rattly so I assumed the mechanical advance had failed. I got a second one out of my stash, the dual vac can had failed. So I made a good one of the two. Having checked the vac worked and the plate moved freely I fitted it and timed it exactly as per the book to 0 degrees, the engine sounded better, but drove even worse. Kangarooing and in able to get past 2nd gear. So I advanced the timing to what I thought was 7.5 degrees, off I went and with in 10 miles it got a bit smokey, fortunately I was nearly home, I parked up and left it too cool. I suspected a thermostat failure, but the flaps were fully open.

One it was cooled I got the strobe out again and it read 12.5 at idle. Woops!!!

Anyway, no damage was done but it still didn't run well and I was starting to remember why I lost interest in the car. Still certain the issue was ignition related I had another dig in my distributor box and got an SVDA out. Cleaned, checked, tested and fitted. I blanked the manifold port, timed the dissy to 7.5, checked max advance and road tested. It drove as I remember all those years ago, 60mph was effortless and the engine stayed cool.

So questions that remain in answered, where should the vacuum hoses go? I have one from the vacuum side to the port on the carburettor as you would on an SVDA, the retard side to the port on the manifold. both vac cans work and when I check wit ha strobe its time correctly and as I rev the engine the advance is smooth and levels off nicely.

Another small job which needed some attention was the fuel sender, after my hard work rebuilding it, it read at half scale. so I checked the internal earth to find it was poor. I cleaned the contact for this and re-soldered the nichrome wire, it now reads about bang on. which is as good as a new one!

a decent road test in order and proper tune of the engine. then just a few small jobs to tidy up loose ends and rattles for the summer
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 22nd July 2017 - 1:15pm

Just a small update for you all, something odd going on with the steering, I centred the steering wheel. But after covering a few miles its gone off centre again. That combined with the front end knock suggests I need to get under there and find out whats going on. Weirdly on the road it feels very smooth and under control. But something to do in the coming weeks.

With the need for an easy job and having use gaffer tape to blank off the fan housing to get me on the road, I fitted this elbows.

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Although its the height of the English summer, you never want to be with out heating :D

Another small job for a sunny evening, the horn occasional sounds when turning, I assume the wires bare somewhere and catch so ill pop the wheel off and check. Small jobs make me look forward to the work.
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by Editor » 23rd July 2017 - 1:51am

Check there's a small gap between the wheel and the switch housing below. There should be a couple of mm gap, which you can adjust by loosening the big allen screws in the housing and moving it down slightly. Mine has a tendency to sound if I have to stop suddenly, and my arms push on the steering wheel.
If you remove the wheel, make sure it is centred before, and put it back in the same position or the self-cancelling lugs can get broken.

BTW, those elbows prevent cooling air being lost from the fan area - they are very important.
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 23rd July 2017 - 6:43am

Ah, I will go for some steering wheel adjustment! Yes I set up the front suspension geometry with my optical tracking gear, then removes the steering wheel to centre it. It drove 30 miles bang on, now its rotated anti clockwise.

Yer, as a very temporary measure id blanked the fan with gaffer tape. But I didn't leave it too long to fit these elbows, knowing how important they are 😃
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 13th August 2017 - 7:58pm

Nearly a month since I said anything! Ive been enjoying driving the ole banger, but the front axel rattles like a bugger. I must have a loose bush or something. Ive pumped it full of grease today, so ill have to see how it handles its next drive. The last month has seen a few odds and ends. It was getting embracing beeping at people every time I turned left, so I decided to have a look.

I was missing one of these anti vibration washers which sits under the horn push mounting screw. But having recently bought another steering wheel I found it had a spare one :)

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I also sleeved the wire as the insulation had split, removed the steering wheel, made sure the stalks were secure and seated. With it all carefully rebuilt it would seem Ive sorted it!

The next issue I was having was clunky steering and a sloppy center. I went to adjust the box, but it was all very stiff and the screw for the idler was a bit chewed up. I dug out my spare and its screw was in a better state of health.

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While changing this I noticed that it had quite a lot of play, and after consulting my Bentley book found out it should be all but solid. I had some 0.05mm shim stock, so made a couple, very hard to do with something just thicker than tinfoil. But I clamped it between two blocks of wood and drilled 10mm holes.

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I then marked the outside using the original washer and then cut that with tin snips. They weren't pretty, but the took up the slack, this then allowed me to carry out the steering box adjustments properly, after a road test I can confirm it goes where I point it now! I need to set up the rear axel, but it looks quite involved in the book so I might save this until the winter. Experience or advise anyone?

Some other advise I wouldn't mind involves the speedo. I took this to pieces. Including twisting the two metal tabs and removing the drive portion from the clocks. I now have it reading the right speed again. But distance wise its only should 1 miles for about every 4 or 5 covered. I assume that There must be a specified gap between the drive and the clocks. As its like a viscous coupling with the magnet driving the dish. Does anyone know the gap?

Although I had promised myself I would stop spending on this until the winter hits (though you wouldn't tell it from winters now) I saw these NOS air intake boots and had to have them from Mr Kelly.

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They've gone in the rebuild stash, something which I have worked through this last week, sorting my best parts from what will be come spares and the 3rd pile being for sale. So ill have a small trickle of stuff up for sale soon.

And as today was actually like a summers day in the middle of august I wet sanded the whole car to remove the rust, and grinding swarf from it. Who says you can polish a turd! Ill get a photo next time I'm out in the banger
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 14th August 2017 - 9:16pm

So after some reunderstanding. The magnetic cup jobby inly drives the needle. The ODO if causing bother. I will spin freely for a random amount of time, then lock up, and I cant see whats causing it. After a rock back and forth, It frees up and spins happily again. Needless to say this isn't doing my nylon gear any good
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 21st August 2017 - 8:08pm

I spent some time dismantling this during a few evenings last week. Not exactly sure what I did but I cured the spinning issue. The reason for the low mileage count became obvious when i looked at this gear.

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Under the mangnifier you can see the small piece it had eaten from the nylon gear. This was just enough to let it jump about 75% of the time.

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I had a spare speedo so tried to dismantle it an remove the gear, it was in better condition but not perfect.

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Rebuilt with this and I built the gear up with araldite and then filed it to the right shape. it now seems to be reading correctly again. Ive recalibraded the speedo too. It reads 1mph slow. So thats damn good enough for me and the milometer is bang on!

After an 80 mile run too and from skegvegas at the weekend it was driving nicely. Just got to get the front axle rattle sorted this week!
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by muddy » 24th August 2017 - 9:10pm

Fantastic work there. I may be firing a few questions your way when, I start building mine back up. That's a day I'm looking forward too.
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 24th August 2017 - 10:12pm

Ta very much, always happy to share knowledge and keep these old bangers going!

I've got 5 weeks left till I make a start on mine. The other day i found a bonnet corner in my stash, that make a much better repair than I did! Im also making progress on my front end noise, full story when I've finished the job.
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Re: 1971 VW Type 3 Fastback

Post by broady_6 » 2nd September 2017 - 9:28am

A good few weeks have flow by since I had anything of real note to say on this, but there is a happy ending. Since recommissioning the ole banger it has sounded like a ball joint was loose. Having been over all the joints, arms and beam mounts I found nothing loose. So i decided it was time to take the beam to pieces and build it up from scratch and find out what I missed first time round.

Up on stands and wheels off, I proceeded to remove the shock absorber only to find that although the bolt and nut were tight the damper its self was loose and sloppy. Once removed I found out why. As these were nearly new KYB's i was surprised.

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You can see what the problem was, the nearly new dampers top bush was far to big for the bolt going through it. Something which should have been noticed at the time of fitment, but being damp dark and cold. I seem to remember rushing to get it together.

As baldrick once said, I have a cunning plan. I was gifted this pair of scrap shocks from moler with the idea of taking the bushes out and fitting to my shocks as the inner diameter of these bushes fitted very nicely on my bolts.

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The next challenge was to press them into my shocks. The top two pressed in after a little rust clean up, but the bottom two original bushes were a much smaller hole.

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Little action shot of me turning down the inserts to press into the bottom two eyes. I turned them down to 14.1mm

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Then opened up the bottom eyes to 14mm

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With a slight lead on the new insert

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And driven home with the vice

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I then cut the excess bush off and rand a reamer down the middle to make it concentric again. Once refitted to the car I went for a nice like drive down some bumpy roads the sound of silence was beautiful!

A little treat for myself, I took a few bits to the powder coaters so I can now have the correct heating system set up. The rest goes in the loft store.

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