1968 1600TL Fastback Automatic

[Marko]

well done that man really looking something now....

Thanks

just on with detailing the auto box, I need a couple of O rings, one for the filler neck and one for that round housing on the side, no idea where to find them without buying a full "master" rebuild kit

[Marko]

today I stripped the engine back to a long block and power washed all the tinware ready for "fettling".. as usual I found a couple of things that need addressing, one is a snapped exhaust stud and the other is a missing thermostat . but on the positive side it has a new 009 dizzy, new "bosch" plug leads and cap, new fuel pump and has been recently rebuilt with new barrels/pistons, crank reground, bearings etc ect.. so should be a good engine when all done

this is what it looked like at 8.30 this morning, I hope I didn't wake the neighbours up

[Marko]

just looking at my heat exchangers and one is completely shot and the other has seen better days, can anyone see fitting "J" tubes as an alternative a problem? it's going to be a summer/show car anyway and have just found out the PO whom fitted new sills didn't bother fitting the heater channels (from what I can make out anyway).

Mark.

[broady_6]

no problem with fitting j tubes, just make sure you get type 3 ones. beetle ones rnt the same but im sure could be moded

[Marko]

had another look at my exchangers today and I think I may be able to save them, one of the tubes that joins the exhaust is a little rotten so could weld another piece on there and there's a hole in the other one's jacket. they are both missing the outer sleeve parts that are strapped on if you know of any knocking around?

also missing the thermostat and bracket I'll start a wanted ad for any engine bits I'm missing

Mark.

[Editor]

You may also be missing the spring and levers from inside if the thermostat and bracket is gone - is there a 1/4" metal bar across the back of the engine, between the fan housing and the crankcase? If so try turning it and see if it springs back. The flaps attached to the bar are inside the squared-off aluminium fan housing ends.

[Marko]

I have the flaps, linkage, rod and crank parts, just missing the thermostat and bracket to mount the thermostat.. at least the flaps were in the open position before I stripped the tinware off!

new exhaust arrives tomorrow, I can hardly contain myself!! I keep reading lots of bad things about the 009 dizzy but how can they be that bad when they sell millions of the things? I know it's more an industrial non vacuum advance unit but all the big names sell them

Mark.

[Marko]

it's taking ages to fettle/paint all the engine tinware and bits and bobs, but it's coming on slowly but surely! I etch primed this little lot yesterday then 2k blacked them today. didn't go too crazy as it's only an engine at the end of the day but they turned out OK









and a pair of engine mounts, fully detailed for good measure

[Editor]

Why does the 009 have a bad reputation?

Because it's less than perfect for the job. It's designed for constant speed applications - its response to engine rpm changes isn't as good as a distributor designed for road-use, and it isn't as fuel-efficient either, which makes it less than perfect for most purposes. They also don't have the 3 degree retard on no. 3 cylinder that all other Type 3 distributors had, which helps keep that cylinder running a little nearer the same temp as the others, rather than overheating as tends to happen in the Beetle.

Why have so many been sold?

Because they became popular for racing engines driven at the upper end of the rev range, and the demand kept it in production and hence was cheaper than the correct replacement.

Some of their poor reputation is due to a lack of manufacturing consistency from one 009 to another - it is important to set up the timing correctly to ensure maximum spark advance isn't exceeded.

There are plenty of cars out there using them. They can't be used in the FI Type 3 because there is no provision for the trigger points. That may explain some of the objection for Type 3s. If the choice is a new distributor at a reasonable price rather than a worn correct type or an expensive reconditioned unit, you can see why people (particularly most engine builders) choose the 009.

That's my understanding distilled from knowledgeable people anyway - I've stayed stock, and they seem to be working OK, even the dual vacuum units.

[Marko]

thanks Dave, looks like I'll be looking for a replacement then! I've seen this vacuum type but don't know what's right or wrong now!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130613624528? ... 1423.l2649

[rustydubs]

car is looking great, keep up the good work.

[Marko]

bit of a sneaky update, engine coming on nicely and looking the biz, can't wait to see the what it looks like with the exhaust on but I need to refurb the heat exchangers 1st..



it's a shame most of the engine will be covered in stock air filters for the carbs, would like to fit fancy chrome ones but it'll probably run like crap with them..



treated it to some new alloy rocker covers seen as though the old steel ones had pin holes in them, no wonder there was a fair bit of oil everywhere!

[col1600]

10 out of 10 so far.

Pointless saying keep up the good work because that goes without saying..

[Marko]

10 out of 10 so far.

Pointless saying keep up the good work because that goes without saying..

Thanks Col! today I'm giving the heat exchangers a good going over, done one and it turned out OK. once they are done I can see what the exhaust looks like bolted up

[Clockwork]

I remember using a 009 back in 89 on my fasty, never ran right until I re-fitted an original dissy with the vacuum advance.

However I would forsee greater problems trying to run an auto without vacuum advance, from what i can tell the auto relys quite heavily on the vacuum advance to adjust idle speeds when holding on a hill or whioe stopped on the foot brake. Would be interested to see how you get on should you decide to stick with the 009 route. My auto runs very well indeed with a stock set up.

Simon

[Marko]

Problem is finding a stock dizzy.. I seen some on ebay for £30 posted but not sure on quality..

[Marko]

got this alternator sorted out now, just need to find a belt the right size! exhaust is looking nice just the carbs to fettle now, I can't put it off any longer

[brimfull]

That's looking awesome

[Marko]

cheers!

this is where I'm at rebuilding the carbs, gonna be a long winded nightmare I reckon!

[Editor]

You may want to check the choke pull-down mechanism too. Check the diaphragm for leaks. It's the triangle shaped one, and doesn't come with the kits. Not easy to replace though, but can be done.

[Marko]

You may want to check the choke pull-down mechanism too. Check the diaphragm for leaks. It's the triangle shaped one, and doesn't come with the kits. Not easy to replace though, but can be done.

they came in my kits? there was 4 diaphragms in total..

[Editor]

That's unusual - the kits I've seen and bought didn't have that part. Where did you get them from?

That would make things easier. I had to grind the rivetting off, and fit the gasket to the mounting, then solder the cap back on.

[Marko]

That's unusual - the kits I've seen and bought didn't have that part. Where did you get them from?

That would make things easier. I had to grind the rivetting off, and fit the gasket to the mounting, then solder the cap back on.

here, they look like old stock as the seller bought them a while ago from "Megabug", I bought 2 kits of course and it looks like they've all been snapped up now..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180900060151

I spent quite some time cleaning the carbs out today and they are spotless and all jets and passages are clear. the mating surfaces were typically distorted so I fixed that too, how it ever ran before I don't know! must have been running very lean..

Also ordered some EASTWOOD silver carb renew II to paint the main bodies, from what I've seen the results look great.

[al67]

Your engine's looking sweet, nice work!!

[Clockwork]

Looking Brand New!!!!

Awesome