rear wheel bearing advice?
- Paul Hayward
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rear wheel bearing advice?
is this the correct part number for rear wheel bearings??...GHB238.are they a hard to get part and how much do they normally go for?
Thanks in advance for any help and advice
Paul
Thanks in advance for any help and advice
Paul
Paul and Kat
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
There's one here
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=949324
with part number 411-501-283 E
which seems to be the same as a golf/scirocco
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Cabri ... 0481009074
I didn't know this until I looked
K
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=949324
with part number 411-501-283 E
which seems to be the same as a golf/scirocco
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Cabri ... 0481009074
I didn't know this until I looked
K
Kieron
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
mmmn.........so at 12 quid each maybe i should just buy em n keep my fingers crossed!?...they are advertised fot 411 and 412 so they should be right?
im on the look out for anything type 4 now
im on the look out for anything type 4 now
Paul and Kat
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
As far as i know, Timken is the only manufacturer for type 4 rear wheel bearings. They have a great on-line catalogue:
http://www.showmetheparts.com/timken/#
I've understood that the Golf/Scirocco rear wheel bearings are the same as the FRONT wheel bearings on type 4. The type 4 rear wheel bearigns were unique to these cars -as far as i know... I'd be more than happy if someone found some mass produced replacements!
Rear bearign seal is bit more difficult, but here you'll find its measurements:
http://www.skfextranet.com/Catalogs/457 ... p?s=550280
Perhaps you could still get this from SKF-dealer.
http://www.showmetheparts.com/timken/#
I've understood that the Golf/Scirocco rear wheel bearings are the same as the FRONT wheel bearings on type 4. The type 4 rear wheel bearigns were unique to these cars -as far as i know... I'd be more than happy if someone found some mass produced replacements!
Rear bearign seal is bit more difficult, but here you'll find its measurements:
http://www.skfextranet.com/Catalogs/457 ... p?s=550280
Perhaps you could still get this from SKF-dealer.
My cars: 1972 VW 411 Variant, 1973 412 4-door sedan, 1976 Saab 99 Combi Coupé
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Yeah - that rings a bell - when I did the 412, I ended up using early 80's Polo REAR bearings on the FRONT. Shame the Polo/Golf front's aren't the same as the 412 rears!
Paul - any luck finding bearings?
Paul - any luck finding bearings?
Kieron
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Mine has Polo rear bearings in the front as well!
There must be some rear bearings somewhere that will work though
There must be some rear bearings somewhere that will work though
'70VW 411LE 2 Door Saloon, '71 Beetle and '78 Late bay
- Paul Hayward
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
ive not even got goldmember down with me yet but i saw them on ebay for 12 quid and thought it would be worth getting them as spares...but when i went back onto ebay they had been sold already..........oh well
Paul and Kat
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Although from what I've been told the rear bearings on these are pretty much bullet proof and rarely cause a problem...famous last words!
'70VW 411LE 2 Door Saloon, '71 Beetle and '78 Late bay
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
shawn71 wrote:Although from what I've been told the rear bearings on these are pretty much bullet proof and rarely cause a problem...famous last words!
oops too late...you said it ........sods law i will need some now
Paul and Kat
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
barndoor deluxe wrote:shawn71 wrote:Although from what I've been told the rear bearings on these are pretty much bullet proof and rarely cause a problem...famous last words!
oops too late...you said it ........sods law i will need some now
Sorry
'70VW 411LE 2 Door Saloon, '71 Beetle and '78 Late bay
- 937carrera
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Re-awakening this old thread as I think I will soon need to look at replacing one of my wheel bearings.
Thanks to the above I can see that I can get the seals from SKF and the Timken parts number
I have also found that SKF now have the equivalent parts finder at http://www.skfpartsinfo.com/ which results in listings for both the seals and the bearings themselves. I'll nip round to my local bearing dealer tomorrow and check availability for the SKF versions (which appear to have the same reference number as the Timken) and update the thread.
This "looks" to be a fairly straightforward job. I suspect the initial challenge will be undoing the CV bolts though my tools are better these days so I'm hoping that they aren't already chewed up and will be easy to do. The centre retaining bolt is free to move so I know that will undo and assume the wheel shaft will just pull out and will not be rusted in and the outer bearings can be readily removed from the retainer.
What are peoples experience with removing the inner bearing components. I'm assuming the taper roller bearing will just pull away, but what about the outer race ? Does it drift out relatively easily, will it need encouragement from a bit of blowtorch heat, or might I be into a situation where I have to remove the whole wishbone to get the bearing pressed out.
Thanks to the above I can see that I can get the seals from SKF and the Timken parts number
I have also found that SKF now have the equivalent parts finder at http://www.skfpartsinfo.com/ which results in listings for both the seals and the bearings themselves. I'll nip round to my local bearing dealer tomorrow and check availability for the SKF versions (which appear to have the same reference number as the Timken) and update the thread.
This "looks" to be a fairly straightforward job. I suspect the initial challenge will be undoing the CV bolts though my tools are better these days so I'm hoping that they aren't already chewed up and will be easy to do. The centre retaining bolt is free to move so I know that will undo and assume the wheel shaft will just pull out and will not be rusted in and the outer bearings can be readily removed from the retainer.
What are peoples experience with removing the inner bearing components. I'm assuming the taper roller bearing will just pull away, but what about the outer race ? Does it drift out relatively easily, will it need encouragement from a bit of blowtorch heat, or might I be into a situation where I have to remove the whole wishbone to get the bearing pressed out.
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
- 937carrera
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Not great news from the bearing supplier (Antifriction). Appareently he has access to the industrial rather than automotive division of SKF.
He cannot identify the bearing from the SKF part number, nor can the seal be identified from the part number.
Apparently Timken have 1300 bearing sets in Europe, all we need to do now is identify where to get the seals reliably
He cannot identify the bearing from the SKF part number, nor can the seal be identified from the part number.
Apparently Timken have 1300 bearing sets in Europe, all we need to do now is identify where to get the seals reliably
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Havent posted your package yet-Tomorrow hopefully!
When it arrives, you'll find that the seal is available from Wolfsburg
Bearing seems fairly available in the US
When it arrives, you'll find that the seal is available from Wolfsburg
Bearing seems fairly available in the US
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
I have saved this bearign seal to my Ebay favourites:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Wellendichtringe ... 58a12a2352
This should be the correct seal but it's been a long time since i ordered these so check your oil seals' markings before ordering.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Wellendichtringe ... 58a12a2352
This should be the correct seal but it's been a long time since i ordered these so check your oil seals' markings before ordering.
My cars: 1972 VW 411 Variant, 1973 412 4-door sedan, 1976 Saab 99 Combi Coupé
- 937carrera
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Thanks for the additional information, my knowledge of technical German is expanding all the time
I went back to my Antifriction this morning, with the SKF spec sheet.
They have offered me an imperial oil seal, reference 25018737, size is 1 7/8" x 2 1/2" x 3/8" which converts to 47.6mm x 63.4mm x 9.5mm
You can see the details at http://www.bearingstation.co.uk/product ... al25018737
This would seem to be a readily available alternative, not quite as deep as the ones on ebay Germany (though I don't know if in reality that matters or not)
I'm trying to get the bits ordered and ready to install before I start tackling disassembly as I don't want to end up with an immobile car on the drive.
Any voices of experience as to whether getting the old bearings out is going to be difficult or easy ?
I went back to my Antifriction this morning, with the SKF spec sheet.
They have offered me an imperial oil seal, reference 25018737, size is 1 7/8" x 2 1/2" x 3/8" which converts to 47.6mm x 63.4mm x 9.5mm
You can see the details at http://www.bearingstation.co.uk/product ... al25018737
This would seem to be a readily available alternative, not quite as deep as the ones on ebay Germany (though I don't know if in reality that matters or not)
I'm trying to get the bits ordered and ready to install before I start tackling disassembly as I don't want to end up with an immobile car on the drive.
Any voices of experience as to whether getting the old bearings out is going to be difficult or easy ?
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
The bearings should come out easily as they are not pressed in or anything. For me it was more difficult to get the seal out as i didn't have any replacements back then. Do you have a workshop manual? I have some digitalised so i can send you a copy if needed.
My cars: 1972 VW 411 Variant, 1973 412 4-door sedan, 1976 Saab 99 Combi Coupé
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
I'm delighted to hear that the bearings should come out quite easily (inner & outer ?). I think I'll be careful when removing the seals, "just in case". It might also be possible to get the reference numbers off the original components. Interestingly, but people I spoke to at the bearing supplier immediately said that the bearings were an imperial size, not metric, which doesn't make any sense to me for a VW.
I don't have a workshop manual at all, a digital copy would be wonderful. I'll PM you an email address, thank you.
I don't have a workshop manual at all, a digital copy would be wonderful. I'll PM you an email address, thank you.
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
The styling design was done by an american company, but I wouldn't think the mechanicals would have been.
Dave.
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
That's what I thought, but the evidence seems pretty strong based on a search for the Timken LM78349 / LM78310A part codes;
http://www.astbearings.com/product.html ... 9_LM78310A
http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/produc ... s_id=40336
http://timkenparts.com/index.php?MenuLe ... y=NLM78349
They all refer to the parts as imperial bearings, even if, at least according to the SimplyBearings site the bearing seems to be sized in mm
I suspect that the LM is the part that describes the bearing as imperial size.
Perhaps we shouldn't be afraid of using an imperial seal - at least they are readily available
http://www.astbearings.com/product.html ... 9_LM78310A
http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/produc ... s_id=40336
http://timkenparts.com/index.php?MenuLe ... y=NLM78349
They all refer to the parts as imperial bearings, even if, at least according to the SimplyBearings site the bearing seems to be sized in mm
I suspect that the LM is the part that describes the bearing as imperial size.
Perhaps we shouldn't be afraid of using an imperial seal - at least they are readily available
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
All the brake hydraulic cylinders are imperial. eg 22.2mm =7/8" and 19.0mm = 3/4".
Dave.
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
I broke one of my 411s earlier this year and didn't find it difficult to remove the bearings, which were in good condition.937carrera wrote:I'm delighted to hear that the bearings should come out quite easily (inner & outer ?). I think I'll be careful when removing the seals, "just in case". It might also be possible to get the reference numbers off the original components. Interestingly, but people I spoke to at the bearing supplier immediately said that the bearings were an imperial size, not metric, which doesn't make any sense to me for a VW.
Dave
412 Variant
411 2-door saloon
412 Variant
411 2-door saloon
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
That's good to hear. I have the bearings now, just waiting for some time and daylight to fit them (aren't the nights drawing in)
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
How did it go? I have one side that needs doing. Was thinking of just tightening it up. But if you found it smooth enough to replace, I think that'd be the better route.
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Re: rear wheel bearing advice?
Sadly I cannot tell you as my desire to keep the car available for use means I have not tackled the job yet, sorry.
David
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon
1974 412LS Variant
1973 412LE 4 door Fastback / Saloon