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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Dave Summers » 14th August 2019 - 10:49pm

Hi Don, I don't look at the Type 3 gallery all that often so I've just found your thread, but it's good to see someone not too far from me (and I was brought up in the NE - Portknockie to be exact).
I haven't had a Type 3 for some time (I've got two Type 4 long-term projects) but I've quite a few spares so there's a chance I might have some things you need.
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 16th August 2019 - 11:05pm

Hi Dave, Yes, good to have someone within driving distance for spares etc. My fastback is going to be a major project, it wasn't meant to be but I bought it unseen, other than photos and it is far worse than I expected. It was described as needing some TLC! Anyway what sort of spares would you have?

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Don

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 16th August 2019 - 11:12pm

Dave, Don't suppose you have an exhaust tail pipe do you?

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by 937carrera » 16th August 2019 - 11:27pm

If he hasn't, Stevedumptruck should have, he just replaced one on his notchback
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 17th August 2019 - 8:46am

Thanks for that David. Is there a way to send him a message? Still a bit green at finding my way around.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by 937carrera » 17th August 2019 - 9:09am

Of course:

Click on his name in a post or in the list of members (under Quick Links)
You can then send him a PM (Private message), or maybe a direct email, depending on how he has set his profile up
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Dave Summers » 17th August 2019 - 12:39pm

Type1234 wrote:
16th August 2019 - 11:05pm
Hi Dave, Yes, good to have someone within driving distance for spares etc. My fastback is going to be a major project, it wasn't meant to be but I bought it unseen, other than photos and it is far worse than I expected. It was described as needing some TLC! Anyway what sort of spares would you have?

Cheers
Don
Pretty random collection Don - some new old stock parts from dealers' stock clearances years ago (mostly Hawco's in Elgin) plus bits from cars that I've broken - ranging from bits of trim to panels and engines (one seized so for parts only). Sorry I haven't found a tailpipe but I have got a headlining, which I think is from a Type 3 Notchback but with some stitching it could work for a Fastback. It's got some staining (should clean up) but definitely not painted!
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 17th August 2019 - 1:03pm

937carrera wrote:
17th August 2019 - 9:09am
Of course:

Click on his name in a post or in the list of members (under Quick Links)
You can then send him a PM (Private message), or maybe a direct email, depending on how he has set his profile up
Ok great thanks for that.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 17th August 2019 - 1:14pm

Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 12:39pm
Type1234 wrote:
16th August 2019 - 11:05pm
Hi Dave, Yes, good to have someone within driving distance for spares etc. My fastback is going to be a major project, it wasn't meant to be but I bought it unseen, other than photos and it is far worse than I expected. It was described as needing some TLC! Anyway what sort of spares would you have?

Cheers
Don
Pretty random collection Don - some new old stock parts from dealers' stock clearances years ago (mostly Hawco's in Elgin) plus bits from cars that I've broken - ranging from bits of trim to panels and engines (one seized so for parts only). Sorry I haven't found a tailpipe but I have got a headlining, which I think is from a Type 3 Notchback but with some stitching it could work for a Fastback. It's got some staining (should clean up) but definitely not painted!
My car has the sliding sunroof so not sure how the headlining would work but I've never had any dealings with headlining. What sort of panels do you have because it looks like I am going to need a few.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Dave Summers » 17th August 2019 - 1:33pm

Type1234 wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:14pm
Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 12:39pm
Type1234 wrote:
16th August 2019 - 11:05pm
Hi Dave, Yes, good to have someone within driving distance for spares etc. My fastback is going to be a major project, it wasn't meant to be but I bought it unseen, other than photos and it is far worse than I expected. It was described as needing some TLC! Anyway what sort of spares would you have?

Cheers
Don
Pretty random collection Don - some new old stock parts from dealers' stock clearances years ago (mostly Hawco's in Elgin) plus bits from cars that I've broken - ranging from bits of trim to panels and engines (one seized so for parts only). Sorry I haven't found a tailpipe but I have got a headlining, which I think is from a Type 3 Notchback but with some stitching it could work for a Fastback. It's got some staining (should clean up) but definitely not painted!
My car has the sliding sunroof so not sure how the headlining would work but I've never had any dealings with headlining. What sort of panels do you have because it looks like I am going to need a few.
Bonnets, one rear wing (left IIRC but would have to go to my garage to check - 2 miles away), bumpers, spare wheel wells, NOS rear bootlid. I've got doors but I think they're all for earlier cars - will check garage. Also a few for other models (e.g. Variant tailgate, Notchback bootlid) in case anyone else is reading!
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 17th August 2019 - 2:26pm

Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:33pm
Type1234 wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:14pm
Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 12:39pm


Pretty random collection Don - some new old stock parts from dealers' stock clearances years ago (mostly Hawco's in Elgin) plus bits from cars that I've broken - ranging from bits of trim to panels and engines (one seized so for parts only). Sorry I haven't found a tailpipe but I have got a headlining, which I think is from a Type 3 Notchback but with some stitching it could work for a Fastback. It's got some staining (should clean up) but definitely not painted!
My car has the sliding sunroof so not sure how the headlining would work but I've never had any dealings with headlining. What sort of panels do you have because it looks like I am going to need a few.
Bonnets, one rear wing (left IIRC but would have to go to my garage to check - 2 miles away), bumpers, spare wheel wells, NOS rear bootlid. I've got doors but I think they're all for earlier cars - will check garage. Also a few for other models (e.g. Variant tailgate, Notchback bootlid) in case anyone else is reading!
Dave, Don't go looking at the moment for me. I will be making a list of what I need and sadly it looks like being a very long list. I will be needing a passenger side door, or door skin/repair panel possibly driver side as well.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 17th August 2019 - 8:27pm

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17/08/19 This was the first opportunity I’ve had to take the car to a friend of mine who has a ramp. The idea being that I could make a thorough inspection of the underside. The outcome was much worse than I feared. The driver’s side sill is rotten and only attached to the floor pan at either end of the sill. The copious amounts of underseal were hiding a hole through the back of the battery box area. The rear driver side jacking point is collapsing. The front frame head area, not sure it’s called that on a type 3 is seriously corroded. Steering damper is leaking. Steering box is leaking oil and very stiff. With all of this + the badly corroded areas inside the boot and around the rear window, the engine oil leaks, the tattered headlining, the burst seats and all of the electrical items that don’t work this has now turned into a body off nut and bolt restoration. This is not what I had in mind when I bought the car. I had thought my days of major restorations were in the past. Boy was I wrong!
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Dave Summers » 17th August 2019 - 9:55pm

Ouch! That's a lot of work but I'm glad you feel up to doing it.
The outer sills aren't actually attached to the floorpan directly; they just sit alongside its edge. If they've been welded to it, that's a bodge. The sill structure is part of the body, which is bolted to the floorpan in the same way as a Beetle, although a very different shape. (I once had a nice-looking 1963 Variant which had reconstructed sills welded to the floor. After a while the previous owner wanted to buy it back, and when he did, he found some horrors lurking under the "repair", and landed up breaking the car.)
The good news is that if you need to replace the steering box, it's the same as on a Beetle, so should be easy to find. Same goes for the steering damper.
I checked my garage as I was there anyway, and I've got rear wings for both sides and a pair of late doors.
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Dave Summers » 17th August 2019 - 9:59pm

Interesting to see late 1960s style flashers on your car - not original for the longer nose model but they suit it. (And I'm one who prefers originality.)
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by 937carrera » 18th August 2019 - 9:33pm

Time to start looking at the restoration threads in detail then, here's a couple to start with

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12009

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3094
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 18th August 2019 - 9:54pm

937carrera wrote:
18th August 2019 - 9:33pm
Time to start looking at the restoration threads in detail then, here's a couple to start with

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12009

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3094
Just had a look through both and they are going to be very helpful. Thanks

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 18th August 2019 - 10:03pm

Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 9:55pm
Ouch! That's a lot of work but I'm glad you feel up to doing it.
The outer sills aren't actually attached to the floorpan directly; they just sit alongside its edge. If they've been welded to it, that's a bodge. The sill structure is part of the body, which is bolted to the floorpan in the same way as a Beetle, although a very different shape. (I once had a nice-looking 1963 Variant which had reconstructed sills welded to the floor. After a while the previous owner wanted to buy it back, and when he did, he found some horrors lurking under the "repair", and landed up breaking the car.)
The good news is that if you need to replace the steering box, it's the same as on a Beetle, so should be easy to find. Same goes for the steering damper.
I checked my garage as I was there anyway, and I've got rear wings for both sides and a pair of late doors.
Yes this is a real bummer but, I have already started stripping the car, got the doors, bonnet and bumpers Etc. off. What condition are your doors? Not sure yet if mine are going to be ok or not.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 18th August 2019 - 10:06pm

Type1234 wrote:
18th August 2019 - 10:03pm
Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 9:55pm
Ouch! That's a lot of work but I'm glad you feel up to doing it.
The outer sills aren't actually attached to the floorpan directly; they just sit alongside its edge. If they've been welded to it, that's a bodge. The sill structure is part of the body, which is bolted to the floorpan in the same way as a Beetle, although a very different shape. (I once had a nice-looking 1963 Variant which had reconstructed sills welded to the floor. After a while the previous owner wanted to buy it back, and when he did, he found some horrors lurking under the "repair", and landed up breaking the car.)
The good news is that if you need to replace the steering box, it's the same as on a Beetle, so should be easy to find. Same goes for the steering damper.
I checked my garage as I was there anyway, and I've got rear wings for both sides and a pair of late doors.
Yes this is a real bummer but, I have already started stripping the car, got the doors, bonnet and bumpers Etc. off. What condition are your doors? Not sure yet if mine are going to be ok or not.
Good news about the steering box and damper being same as the Beetle, I think both will need to be replaced.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by 937carrera » 18th August 2019 - 10:10pm

David
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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Type1234 » 23rd August 2019 - 6:04pm

I have started a new thread on the members cars and projects page. I thought that was a more appropriate place to speak about my restoration and show pics.

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by pinknotch » 18th June 2020 - 11:15pm

Hi Dave, Just tried to PM you but not sure it sent? I'm looking for a Notchback boot lid! Do you still have one available?

Thanks,
Stu.
Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:33pm
Type1234 wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:14pm
Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 12:39pm


Pretty random collection Don - some new old stock parts from dealers' stock clearances years ago (mostly Hawco's in Elgin) plus bits from cars that I've broken - ranging from bits of trim to panels and engines (one seized so for parts only). Sorry I haven't found a tailpipe but I have got a headlining, which I think is from a Type 3 Notchback but with some stitching it could work for a Fastback. It's got some staining (should clean up) but definitely not painted!
My car has the sliding sunroof so not sure how the headlining would work but I've never had any dealings with headlining. What sort of panels do you have because it looks like I am going to need a few.
Bonnets, one rear wing (left IIRC but would have to go to my garage to check - 2 miles away), bumpers, spare wheel wells, NOS rear bootlid. I've got doors but I think they're all for earlier cars - will check garage. Also a few for other models (e.g. Variant tailgate, Notchback bootlid) in case anyone else is reading!

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Re: New to the club and new to my Type 3 Fastback

Post by Dave Summers » 20th June 2020 - 9:51am

pinknotch wrote:
18th June 2020 - 11:15pm
Hi Dave, Just tried to PM you but not sure it sent? I'm looking for a Notchback boot lid! Do you still have one available?

Thanks,
Stu.
Dave Summers wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:33pm
Type1234 wrote:
17th August 2019 - 1:14pm


I've replied to your PM. (They don't show as still in outbox until they've been read, which can be a bit confusing.)
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